what an extraordinary day it was on tuesday. the first day of the conclave to elect the next pope. we're going to have complete coverage of all the day's events. there is breaking news to tell you about. the cardinals down the street to tell you about me. we are learning, tonight, that the church has settled four lawsuits against the archdiocese he ran. four men allegedly abused as boys, collecting $10 million in total. they were abused by a priest in the 70s. he did time. he's no longer alone.

they're here in rome, trying to elect another pope. they are here right now, sworn to secrecy. the color of the smoke from the ballots they burn. to let the world know if we have a pope or not. black smoke, no decision. chances are, the field has been narrowed somewhat. a handful of men went to bed thinking, it could be me. or it could be me. a mind-blowing day that was historic and fascinating, right from the start. one of the cardinals that could be pope. and the men who will choose him. side-by-side, step by step. some vital, some feeble, toward

a mass not seen in eight years, since a pope was elected. the ceremony that was given by a man who arrived as a cardinal, and left as a pope. >> benedict xvi in this moment, renewed our gratitude. >> reporter: applause and praise that benedict did not hear. he's in seclusion. as for the man praising him, and presiding this time, cardinal angelo sodano. he's over 80. too old to help choose a pope

or, in all likelihood, to be chosen himself. then, in one last moment, retreated inside the sistine chap chapel, where they took an oath. then, uttering extra ominous outside all, the vatican officials closed the doors and the cardinals got to work. all day, people waited in the rain for a mass for the chance to see, perhaps, a new pope. >> i think it's wonderful. i think benedict was a great pope and i think everyone is very excited to see who the next pope will be. so it's great anticipation wondering how it's going to be different and how much the same he will be. >> as the evening deepened, the crowds grew. all eyes on the stove where the papal ballots are burned that would signal white for a pope and black for not yet. >> if we got black smoke tonight, i would be stunned. on the heels of what we've already witnessed in the last

month, there would be a certain poetic art to it. >> poetic, but perhaps not to be. even against a dim night sky, the answer, this time, was plain as day. >> joining me now is vatican spokesperson and our vatican analyst. it's good to have you with us. you were in the sistine chapel today. that must have been extraordinary. >> it was an incredible experience. i went in as one of the spokespersons with father lombardi who were allowed to be there before the conclave ritual. so, just before the cardinals begin, there were about ten of us. it was just a remarkable experience to be there. the sight, the cardinals, the music and then we were all thrown out at the end. >> as everyone was. what happens now? we all saw the black smoke, obviously. there's no real debating or discussion during the votes inside that sistine chapel. that happens tonight. >> yeah, what happens is more like going to church than a political convention. it's a highly ceremonial experience, which, most of the time, is eaten up by the

choreography of casting ballots. each cardinal steps up individually and deposits his ballot. that happens 115 times. there's 115 electors. soup to nuts, each ballot takes about an hour, hour and a half. if you take two in the morning and two in the afternoon, that's pretty much your day. so, the politics of this process don't unfold in the sistine chapel. it's going to unfold where the cardinals are staying. breakfast, lunch, dinner, during the down time, that's when they will have conversations about who seems to have legs as a candidate, forming potential alliances, that sort of thing. >> and you've talked to cardinals in the past who have gone through this procedure, how frank are the discussions that have been happening earlier this evening? >> well, i'll tell you, these conversations are remarkably frank.

this is not attack-ad politics. but they are extraordinarily conscious of how much hinges on this decision. and they want to get it right. so, in these private settings in 1s and 2s and 10s and 20s, names will come up. it won't be here's why this guy will be a great pope. there will be some very blunt talk about why he may not be cut out for this job. >> romans versus reformers, anti-establishment. >> i would hope that at this conclave, and especially through the meetings that took place last week until monday, there should be some of the locals who should be rightly concerned that others are concerned at what's happening. this is not a roman operation, although it's here in italy. this is an international operation. history says it. but everyone has an interest in the good functioning of the system.

and cardinals, more and more, because they have a vested interest in this and should be concerned. if there's problems with finances and money work, it should affect all of us. this is not just something for italy, but the cardinals in the most remote parts of the world should be concerned because it affects all of us. if their problems with finances view to religious would recollects or money vow or whatever, it should affect all of us. cardinals all have an interest and a responsibility with a good functioning of this. >> abc news is reporting tonight that cardinal dolan said that he thinks there would be a selection by thursday evening. do you -- >> i hope so. i don't have any inside information. but i really hope so. i think for two reasons, they went into this conclave with some very good information. some good data. and they've had a profile that had been traced by their discussion. secondly, i think it's a very positive sign of a unity of a shared concern and of a shared direction, if this is something that's protracted, dragged on, they should be concerned. but the world would be concerned as well. >> it's fascinating to watch.

i was sitting here with john allen and chris cuomo earlier. for the whole world just watching this pipe, this chimney. >> it's fascinating to watch. freezing cold weather. everybody could have said this is going to be black smoke. there was a sense of interest. it's not just catholics and christians in the crowd. >> there's a joyousness. in past times -- >> a funeral. >> there was a sadness, obviously. i was here eight years ago. there's a real joy here. there was not a funeral. there's excitement over what direction this means for the church. >> i talked to many, many people in the past month that i have been here. one thing that is constant from the beginning of the resignation, there's a desire, a hope for something new. what that is, i'm not sure. there's really an excitement. i link this, a bit, to the excitement and desire 50 years ago when the second vatican

council was coming. there was a real desire, we don't know what's going to happen, but we'd like a new direction. a recommitment to the principals that was so important to the church. >> it is thrilling to be here. we heard becky anderson interview two americans. they were going to be leaving tomorrow and felt, you know, they were disappointed they didn't get to see the white smoke. >> what struck me very much in the sistine chapel, i didn't expect this. as each cardinal came forward to lay his hand on the book and say the oath, i was intrigued in the accents. i had my eyes closed. i heard the french way, the african way, the english way. some of them struggling. that told me, this is an international reality. we are striving and struggling to have a common language. we are trying. we are linked together by this. i don't know why it moved me, but it really struck me.

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as we look at st. peter's basilica, there's breaking news. a multimillion dollar settlement in four sex abuse lawsuits. at least one of them naming the man who voted today on a new pope, cardinal roger mahoney of los angeles. we are learning the church paid nearly $10 million to four men allegedly abused as young boys. some, including mahoney are down the street electing a pope. we'll have that, and a lot more on his plate when it comes to reforming the church. joining me now is reverend amiska. joining me now is revrend who left for the episcopal church so he could marry.

also father edward beck is here. father beck, i wonder, the news of the lawsuits, do you read anything into the timing of the announcement of it and just a reminder of some of the issues the church is facing. >> obviously, it's a sad and terrible thing. there's no excuse for it. the lawyers did it to get maximum exposure for it. cardinal mahoney has been a controversial figure. some said he shouldn't come to the conclave at all because of what happened with his archdiocese amid this scand scandal. >> he's been released of official duties? >> that's correct. but not to vote for the pope. >> do you believe celibacy has anything to do with the sexual abuse scandals that rocked the church? >> i think it's been proven it doesn't. most sexual abuse happens with families, relatives and married people. that means marriage causes sexual abuse or being a boy scout leader. there's really very little connection between it. it's apples and oranges. >> there's a lot of talk about the potential for reform. it means different things to

different people. to you, what do you want to see happen when you hear about reform and talk about reform? >> well, it's interesting, anderson. i would say most modern roman catholics want a pope to speak to the 21st century. they want a pope that can dialogue with contemporary society, that can deal with the controversial issues the church prefers not to deal with, like human sexuality. there are so many things happening in the roman catholic world that alienate people. people who remarry and are told you cannot receive holy communion. people that are in different situations. homosexual persons are called intrinsically disordered in their acts. there are things that alienate people from the sacrament.

we would like to see someone that can open their mind and heart and the church to the contemporary world. it started back in vatican, too. for the last 30 or 40 years we have seen a backward movement, not a movement toward the modern and contemporary society. >> father, for you, what does reform mean? >> well, if you want to begin with the sex abuse crisis, leadership taking responsibility for acting poorly. it also means to clean house and show the world that when you say zero tolerance, you mean zero tolerance. anyone accused of abuse or implicated in any way is removed and in some way punished. i think that is part of the reform. what he's talking about, there's a set of issues to talk about there. it doesn't mean that the pope or the church is not in the modern world if it doesn't agree with those perspectives. the two don't necessarily have to be merged. >> in terms of the governance of the vatican itself, the

bureaucracy. there's been the vatican leaks scandal, if questions about transparency, not enough transparency, and questions about the vatican bank and the role its plays, is that all about reform? >> i think so. there's no doubt people say pope benedict was not well served by those closest to him. >> those that run the vatican. >> right. definitely, i think people see a need for reform within that structure of the coria. >> father, what is going through your mind as you watch the coverage of the conclave, see the faithful gathered here in rome? >> i think there's a great hope in many people that a new pope can mean new ideas, new reforms. i also think that the entire world, not just the roman catholic world wants to see a better roman catholic church.

all of us, regardless of our denomination want the pope to do a good job. the world needs to know the good news. so many times, scandal, corruption, the darkness of the human condition, the result of sin, becomes the headlines every day. we are seeing this thing with cardinal mahoney. i think it's unfair what's happening to him. i don't think he's acted differently than any other cardinal or bishop. if you look at all of the cardinals and bishops throughout the world, they have all participated, to a great extent in the cover-up. the fact is that's how the church operates. they operate in secret. it's a generalization. >> you are saying every cardinal in the world acted that way? it's not true, albert. where do you get your statistics? >> what we know about what cardinal mahoney did and the

thousands of pages of documents, he was counseling priests, telling them not to go to therapy because the therapist might have to reveal what they did to law enforcement. he was telling priests not to come back to los angeles because they might be then subjected to lawsuits or subjected to law enforcement. you are saying you believe most cardinals, most people in leadership positions were counseling priests the same thing? >> i think when cardinal mahoney spoke of his behavior in the '80s and he was sincere, he said he did not know how to deal with the whole issue of pedophilia, and didn't know how to deal with the priests. most issues he spoke of in public, most have not been confronted with and have not been told you deal with the issues you covered up. in my work in the media, 11

years i worked in roman catholic media, in radio and television, and i can tell you, throughout latin america, most bishops and cardinals have participated in the behavior we are saying he was responsible for. i think it's unfair to pinpoint him because this is something the entire church has participated in, especially members of the hierarchy who did not know how to deal with it. >> right now, here in rome, everybody is talking about cardinal o'malley who went in after cardinal law, who did a miserable job, cleaned house and began a reform in that archdiocese based on what he had seen. there's an example right there of someone who could be our next pope who took this issue seriously. >> father cutie? >> well, i think the world of of

cardinal mahoney and of cardinal o'malley. they are all men of the church. and i think in many ways, the institutional church has invited people, throughout the years. and this is founded in christ and in others, that it was well documented with the founder that the church knew of these things and didn't want to talk about it and didn't want to say it because they wanted to protect the image of the church. the church needs to own up to what is going on. priests, in many parts of the world are frustrated. they don't see vatican two as something that is a priority anymore. it's something of the past. they would like to see more women in positions of leadership and see a church that speaks to the 21st century in a new way. that had not been happening. to deny that is to deny reality. the church is not opening up to the contemporary world. >> certainly transparency is something a lot of people talk about that they would like to see more from this vatican. >> granted. i think that certainly is true.

every institution has dealt with this issue. the statistics are 4% of priests. 96% did not abuse. in the general population, 4% abused. should we expect more of the church? yes. we are ministers of god. should we have acted differently? should leadership have acted differently? certainly. to cast this on it as if it's worse, far worse than any institution is simply wrong, if you look at the facts. >> we are going to have to leave it there. i appreciate it. thank you for being with us. up next, a lot from rome's security lockdown. the vatican may not be as tight as you think. there are ways secrets could spill out from the sistine chapel. we'll talk about that ahead. also, a standoff in oregon, between police and a man accused of killing his grandparents, accused of stealing their car and setting off a manhunt.

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it is endlessly fascinating, smoke signals. it all comes down to smoke signals. the vatican has a serious television operation. as a spokesman, pope benedict tweeted. when the moment arrives to let the world know the church has a new leader, someone lights a fire, protecting a ritual calls for modern measures. even they might not be enough. tom foreman explains. >> reporter: with worldwide media swirling and one imposter, he got close enough to shake a cardinal's hand, extraordinary measures have been taken to protect the conclave. the doors are locked. the windows blocked. the cardinals have taken a vow of secrecy. here are three ways the vatican code could still be cracked. first, the russian gamut. no one is allowed to have a cell phone or blackberry. cardinals are tweetless. the room has been swept for electronic bugs.

security experts point out every item brought in from clothing to furniture to the stoves to burn the ballots would carry a spy device. the u.s. had to rebuild a brand-new embassy in moscow after many bugs were found in the architecture and fixtures. still, security analysts suspect the swiss guard can keep the electronic threat to a minimum. cnn's mike brooks. >> they have that wrapped up. they have gone over those pieces with a fine tooth comb to make sure nothing is embedded. >> reporter: what about the connection? the cardinals deliberate by themselves and sleep 100 yards away. they need food, water, supplies and medical care. each person who provides it presents another leak. >> they are threatened with excommunication from the church.

are they willing to give away credits, if you will, while facing excommunication? that remains to be seen. >> reporter: finally, the inside man. remember, the oath of secrecy is standard. after pope benedict one unnamed cardinal leaked information about the other top contenders. whether any of this will play out, we don't know. we do know that the vatican is stinging from some leaks of very high-level papers. and the church would like to avoid such embarrassment again. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. let's get caught up on other stories. isha is here with more. anderson, breaking news. a standoff is over at an oregon hotel where a man who is accused of killing his grandparents was holed up this evening. police say they got michael boyson out of the room with no injuries after some apparently self-inflicted wounds to the suspect. he's accused of killing his grandparents in washington state after they they hosted a party over the weekend to welcome him

home from prison where he served time for burglary. a plea of not guilty for suspected movie theater gunman james holmes, after his attorney said they weren't ready to enter a plea. that's after they filed court documents suggesting they might enter a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity for the july shooting spree that left 12 people dead and 58 others wounded. cardinal cruise line is inspecting its entire fleet. more than 4,200 people were stuck on "the triumph" in miserable conditions, for 4 days after an engine room fire disabled the ship at sea. and fans of twinkies, your worries are over. the snacks could be back on the store shelves by this summer after two private equity firms agreed to buy them for $410 million. anderson? >> thanks. coming up, president obama has been reaching out to republicans.

including a dinner with gop senators. is it a legitimate attempt to break the budget gridlock? one official calls it a waste of everyone's time. saying it was nothing more than a joke staged for the media's benefit. the white house responded to that today. we'll get to the raw politics next.

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what's being called president obama's charm offensive. and one senior official that's anything but charmed by it. amid gridlock on budget issues, the president's been reaching out to republicans meeting with a dozen gop senators last week, having lunch with paul ryan. an article national journal questions whether it's a genuine attempt at outreach, inspired by a recent dip in his approval numbers. that article includes this from a senior white house official quoted as saying, quote, this is a joke. we are wasting the president's time and hours. i hope you all and the media are happy. we are doing it for you. they asked jay carney about that quote. jim acosta asked jake karn jay

carnie about that. and here's what he said. >> i have no idea who said that. i can tell you, that opinion has never been voiced in my presence, in the president's presence in the west wing. it does not represent the president's view or the white house's view or the administration's view. >> joining me to talk about it is david gergen and margaret hoover and editor of the daily beast. david, if this outreach from the president, the dinners to the capital, if it's symbolic, is there an importance to that symbolism? >> there's great importance to this. there are cynics in the white house press corps who think it's a joke. the president deserves the benefit of the doubt. he was frustrated. the strategy he had about campaigning against the congress. popularity going down. give him credit for trying. see how it turns out. if, down the road, the president presents a budget that is

on its face, per se, unacceptable to republicans and he turns on the republicans and goes back into campaign mode, then we have a right to be cynical about the exercise. for now, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. >> peter, do you see it as a big show, a joke? >> the kindest interpretation is there may be some evidence that the republicans don't know how far the white house is actually willing to go in terms of compromise. there's an interesting report that a republican, a prominent republican said the white house never agreed in negotiations with john boehner to change the inflation index, which determines how fast government programs grow. in fact, on the white house website, it says they have a need to do that. i think the most generous interpretation is that obama has a better case to make about how much he's willing to compromise than some republicans realize. >> margaret, as a republican, how do you see it? is progress being made? >> the president going to the

hill to talk to republican legislators is progress. the president sitting down with paul ryan at the white house for the first time ever is progress. and there are some signs some republicans think it's really genuine. i guess there have been follow up made by the white house chief of staff following up on the president's calls and initial conversation. all of this is good. you have to keep in mind how poisoned the well has been. the president's strategy has been demonizing house republicans. that's a strategy. you can see why republicans are cautious about this. i would say cautiously optimistic but that may be a stretch too far. the other thing that is important to remember, tone comes from the top. what republicans need to see, too, is the president's deputies and senior staff reiterating this goodwill. when you have dan pfeiffer go on television, the white house

communique, it doesn't reverberate this goodwill. it undermines the president's tone. you have to take it on balance. the president deserves credit for reaching out to the hill. >> it is an incredible sign of the times that any kind of outreach, having a meal with a republican for a democratic president to have a meal with republicans is seen as outreach or schmoozing or it's a huge news story. >> absolutely. i think that is. i think there's been a recognition on part of white house aides, not everybody that they were too redisant. they held back too much and did not spend enough time. one recalls, anderson, in a robert carol book on lyndon johnson, as a democratic president, he called a republican leader almost every day at 5:00. they talked for a half hour. it made a huge difference. they reconciled their differences on the civil rights bills of '64 and '65.

it made a difference in building a supermajority and republican support. it's not happened with this white house. it's been a weakness with this white house. again, if they are trying to make up for it now, let's applaud them. right on. the country needs what you are doing now. >> peter, has there been outreach by republicans toward the white house? is it all just have to be a one-way street? >> there's some positive noises from republicans. the question is, what leverage does the president have over republicans? it's a very strange moment. most republican members of congress are more worried about their right flank than their left flank. most americans think they are too extreme, they are worried about tea party primary challenges. this phenomenon to sitting republicans scared so many people it makes it very difficult to go and agree to the increased revenue obama is demanding especially when they

were forced to capitulate on that last time. i think it's tougher than in previous years. >> but the entire effort is trying to soften the ground for a totally deferent approach in negotiation. this is not going to be back room deals cut between the president and the house republicans. this is going to happen through regular order. they're going to meet in conference and send it to the president. the president is not going to have an active hand in this, the way he has in this. >> at some point, he has to lead. he has to put things on the table. he has not done that on entitlements in a serious way. >> he's put the inflation index, which allows it to go slower. i don't think he got the credit he deserves. >> we're going to leave it there. thanks very much. is a classic study about gender bias outdated? we got surprising results. what we found about women and power.

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sandberg suggests women themselves may be partly to blame for holding themselves back. it's a controversial idea. she talks about barriers they face. she writes, when a man is successful, he's liked by men and women. when a woman is successful, people of both genders like her less. it's why women hold themselves back. and to back up her claim, sandberg cites an experiment that was done a decade ago. they revealed a case study of a live entrepreneur. half the students read heidi's story. the other read it with her name changed to howard. >> the good news was the students, men and women thought heidi and howard were equally coffer competent and that's good. the bad news is everyone liked howard. he's a great guy, you want to spend the day fishing with him. heidi, not so sure. she's out for herself. she's a little political.

>> it's a powerful example. a staple, we wondered if the results would be the same today if the experiment was done. we decided to rerun it at new york university school of business. watch. >> find your name and take a seat. >> these business students are about to participate in an experiment. >> thank you. thank you, come in. >> the goal to find out whether powerful men and women are viewed differently. >> you have been given a case. read the case. you will see a separate form under it that has questions we would like you to answer about the case. >> this half is reading about a business executive named martin. the other half about kathryn. the students don't know, it's the exact same person. the only difference, their gender. >> take out the answer sheet. those six questions. >> some of them ask on a scale

of one to ten, how much they liked their executive. one to ten, how much they trusted the executive. would they work for their executive. likability. >> 8.0 for kathryn how about martin? 7.6. >> the female executive was more likable. the complete opposite of the original experiment done a decade ago. when it came to whether the students would want to work for the woman, versus the man -- >> 83% for kathryn. martin, 65% would want to work for him. that, i think is a significant difference, right? >> again, in 2013, the woman came out on top. another sign of progress. when it came to the question of trust, everything changed. >> trust. what are the results? >> kathryn, 6.4. >> seems low. what about martin? >> 7.8. >> uh-oh. what is that about? >> when it comes to women being successful, i don't think they are as trustworthy as if men

were successful. i think men would be -- men tend to seem more genuine. as women become more successful, they have an ulterior motive. >> there's a stigma attached to women in business. we have a lot of pressures to fulfill roles in our lives and we have more hats. when we try to succeed in business, it comes across as trying too hard and we become untrustworthy. men don't have those stigmas. they have different responsibilities in a family life. it makes it a little more difficult for us to try to succeed in the same way. >> the students trusted the powerful man more than the powerful woman. then things got heated when asked about women as a potential threat. >> women here, do you expect to be in leadership positions? a show of hands. that's why you are here, right? men, do you feel threatened by that? >> the only place is that good-looking girls often get positions other people don't.

that's all i'll say. if you are very attractive, you can land a good job. just because you are really attractive. >> do you have facts to back that? maybe she's honestly smarter than you and that's why she got the job. >> just so you know -- >> i know. it's not personal, either. i'm using you as reference. >> i didn't apply for a job where a hot chick got a job. >> hot chick? >> hot chick. >> beautiful woman. >> ten years after the original experiment, there's progress. in the business world, it is clear women still have a long way to go. joy has reached the top in her field. editor and chief of "cosmopolitan." her experience is great success. many of her readers are just starting out in their career. she joins me tonight. when you see the results of this experiment we conducted, what do

you make of it? do you see signs of progress? >> when i first heard of the experiment, i didn't believe sheryl. she told me about it. and i couldn't believe it. i went and looked at the research myself. it suggests a bit of progress, but not much. we know there's not enough progress. there's not enough women in board rooms and senior management. the crazy thing is all the research shows a business will run better and be more successful if you have a senior executive group that reflects the population. >> we interviewed heidi, the female executive who was part of the original study and also this new study. here is what she said. >> i think there definitely has been progress for women in leadership positions. i see it here with the number of women with senior positions at the technology companies and women rising through the ranks. the thing that is disturbing is

at the top, i feel there is a lot of work to be done. i mean, if you take me as an example, i'm on six boards, two public and four private. and in all but one of them, i'm the only woman. we have a lot of work to be done. >> where do you think the most work is to be done? >> clearly, the most work to be done is in helping women go up the corporate ladder. i mean, if you think of it as a ladder or a jungle gym in the way we lead our careers now. what's extraordinary about what heidi says is that there are so few women we know who they are. so, they get extraordinary publicity, which is sometimes unwanted. you see marissa mayer get extraordinary publicity because she is pregnant in a job. it's not a great way to encourage women to stay in the work force when they have children. >> you are talking extraordinary. sheryl is getting a lot of publicity right now because of

the book she's written, the controversy. it's causing. do you see a double standard? she talks of a double standard she's held to. she's called aggressive where a man wouldn't be called aggressive in the same situation. >> there is a double standard. an extraordinary hypocrisy. she's criticized for being elitist. she dared go to harvard from a public school. she's made a lot of money. very sensibly working at google and facebook at times where she could make a lot of money. this is somehow being held against her as if she doesn't have a right to talk to other women in the workforce. no one says that about successful men who are expected to write a memoir and tell the rest of us how to do it. no one says jack welch was so successful he's unrelatable. it's a huge double standard. and it's really important that we address it. >> great to have you on. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. >> we'll continue this discussion throughout the week.

the conclave happening here is steeped in history, full of interesting facts throughout the course of time. for instance, pope gregory x was in charge and it took more than eight days to choose a leader, they would only have bread, water an wine until they reached a decision.

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